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Old 06-26-2011, 05:25 PM
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Steinbrenner will likely get in during the next go-around for executives.
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:44 PM
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how many managers have won two world series and are not in the HOF?
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:49 PM
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how many managers have won two world series and are not in the HOF?
Well, the first one off the top of my head would be Carrigan.

Danny Murtaugh, Ralph Houk, Cito Gaston, Tom Kelly, Torre and Larussa. Although, I'm pretty sure a few of these guys will drop off of this list.

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Old 06-26-2011, 05:58 PM
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Now that I think about it, Frank Chance wasn't elected as a manager...Any chance this could happen, or would they just not even bother because he's already in as a player?

The inverse of that goes for Torre. If he were to get in as a manager, would they still pursue getting him in as a player?
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Of current and recent managers, here are my thoughts:
Joe Torre and Bobby Cox should both get in on their 1st shot on the ballott. Both are legends of the modern era and are considered irreplaceble by their respective ballclubs. No brainers. After those two, I think LaRussa should get in as well and I'd even throw Lou Piniella in the mix. Lastly, I think Mike Scioscia will win at least more championship before he's done and will be in consideration one day.
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Old 06-26-2011, 06:18 PM
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To me Torre gets in based on the number of WS rings but come on now, you could have probably put just about any manager in that place and won those WS titles. Take away Torre's Yankee tenure and you have an average manager. Torre, without a doubt, will be remembered as an old school class act. I suppose you could put him in the HOF for making it through 12 years in the Yankee organization with George Steinbrenner. Torre certainly gets my vote into Cooperstown based on his lifetime acheivements in the game - lets not forget that as a player he was a 9x All Star with an MVP to his accomplishments.
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I think Nicholas Young, John Brush and Frank Navin should be in from the earlier era of executives/owners. They will probably never make it and that is not a big deal. I HATE Steinbrenner and will shield my eyes when visiting Cooperstown so as not to look directly into the face of evil when he makes it in eventually!

I think Cy Rigler should absolutely be in as an umpire

Managers, I am ok with Torre and LaRussa and Bobby Cox. I always liked Lou Pinella but he is probably a longshot.

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Danny Murtaugh stacks up favorably with a number of Hall of Fame managers:
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Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of Fame.

Larussa, Cox and Torre (3rd, 4th and 5th all time in wins respectively) will all get into the Hall because every manager in the top 11 are already enshrined.

I don't see Terry Francona getting serious consideration for the Hall of Fame in the near future as he's ranked 60th right now.

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Steinbrenner will likely get in during the next go-around for executives.


The Boss!!!! He changed the game forever (good or bad), every player should pay homage to what he did for them.....

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Any thoughts on Ralph Houk, Billy Martin or Dusty Baker?

And I know this one will be a big stretch, but being a Cleveland fan I've gotta at least mention him. Mike Hargrove? From '94-'99 he was arguably "one of" the best managers in the league. I will say that I think his years in Baltimore and Seattle have hurt him a lot though...

Which also leads me to one executive, John Hart? Those 90's Indians teams he put together were incredible...Sure no World Series wins, but 2 appearances, and 870-681 under Hart. He was also the Sporting News Executive of the Year in '94 and '95.. Now add a 3rd WS appearance while the Senior Adviser of Baseball Operations for the Rangers... This guy had an undeniable knack for scouting, whether it be through the draft or in trades for prospects..
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I always found it interesting that RC of Hall of Fame Managers (or cards in general of HOF managers) seem to be cheaper than their contemporary counterparts (with the exception of possibly Connie Mack). Managing in the majors and winning consistently has to be very difficult. Especially since the 1950s when managers and owners started splitting the ownership roles (Mack stuck around a long time because he owned the team)...Imagine a team keeping a manager after 13 losing seasons (also had a run of 10 losing seasons as well)?

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As far as I'm concerned, there are already too many suits in the Hall of Fame. As for Steinbrenner, it would warm my heart if he never got in. As for players deserving of induction, I say open the floodgates and start with Minnie Minoso ...

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As far as I'm concerned, there are already too many suits in the Hall of Fame. As for Steinbrenner, it would warm my heart if he never got in. As for players deserving of induction, I say open the floodgates and start with Minnie Minoso ...

http://minnieminoso.blogspot.com/
I'd say Minoso, Hodges and Santo...
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Any thoughts on William Eckert, Peter Ueberroth, Bart Giamatti or Faye Vincent?

Now this one might seem a little odd. Curt Flood was a pretty good ballplayer, not quite HOF good, BUT given the way everything went down with him, is there any chance he gets in as a pioneer?
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Since nobody has mentioned any umpires here's a fellow Kansan that I'd like to see get in. He's already in the Basketball Hall of fame and umpired more than a few baseball games. Ernest Quigley.

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