PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

[T206Collector]

Somebody who collects PSA 5s is going to have to tell me how they live with the regular occurrence of PSA 5s with creases. I have owned hundreds of SGC 60s and PSA 5s over the past decade. The PSA 5 with creases is a plague. I have NEVER -- really NEVER -- seen an SGC 60 with a crease or wrinkle.

Plus, I have no idea who is grading PSA cards. SGC makes its graders available for discussions at shows. I have had half a dozen conversations with Bob Luce at SGC about grading T206s of all conditions.

PSA has no customer service and inconsistent grading. The reasons they may get more money for their cards is unrelated to the quality of their product.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

The reasons they may get more money for their cards is unrelated to the quality of their product.

Agreed. Besides, I'm not convinced that they do overall. Sure, some PSA cards sell for more than their SGC equivalency, but there are also many SGC cards that sell for more than their PSA equivalency.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

The reasons they may get more money for their cards is unrelated to the quality of their product.

So you say, but the laws of market economics say otherwise.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So you say, but the laws of market economics say otherwise.

The market rewards PSA for its registry, proliferation and price-realization-expectation. The quality of their product -- consistent grading -- is seriously lacking, and cannot possibly be driving the value of a PSA holder.

[sycks22]

Now on day 24 of my 5 day submission to PSA. SGC has never been late and even worked with me on a better price on some of my submission cards

[glynparson]

I'll take SGC, If submitted by a major submitter I'll take they both SUCK.

[brianp-beme]

I have never submitted a card for grading, and dislike what the whole grading subculture has wrought upon the hobby...but on a rare occasion I have purchased graded cards (nowadays raw can only get you so far). I have seen a greater percentage of mistakes and inaccurate grading in PSA cards, while the black inserts in the SGC cases make the cards stand out. In my perspective PSA does top SGC in one way...their slimmer cases take up less room.

Brian

[4815162342]

PSA, SGC, and BVG all have the same flaw: they hire human beings. Human beings lack the ability to be completely impartial. Computers are impartial however and I believe in the not-too-distant future that image processing technology will lead to automated grading.

Yes, software architects and developers are human beings, but a programming flaw (for example, an improper angle calculation for off-center/miscut/diamond-cut detection) would impartially affect all cards, regardless of whether the subject was an E98 Wagner or a 1950 Callahan Wagner.

[wonkaticket]

Peter you left out PRO up there I love those guys.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

PSA, SGC, and BVG all have the same flaw: they hire human beings.

True, but the humans at work at SGC include certain graders who have been there since the beginning of the company. Like I said, Bob Luce at SGC is terrific and is one of the people on this planet who actually should be grading T206 cards. When you submit a T206 to SGC, he is one of the guys there who will look at it.

In my experience, those who say PSA and SGC both make human mistakes tend to be PSA collectors who think the inconsistent grading they have in their collections would have been the same if they had SGC grade their cards. It wouldn't be the same. SGC is much more consistent.

Finally, what's up with the "baggie" on oversized T206s, PSA? Yuck!