Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

1952boyntoncollector · #1 11-21-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

In addition to the Stooges, that thread reveals an active 1960 Spahn PSA 10 with a $37,500 BIN plus several final sales from PWCC (even after the 2019 National). It appears they're still a black hole for doctored cards.

Can put that Spahn on the Mt. Rushmore....

Peter_Spaeth · #2 11-23-2019, 08:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthnmVDnEEs

Leon · #3 11-23-2019, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthnmVDnEEs

I am considering a new thread with this video as the first post. It is another eye opener. Kudos to the BODA team over there. (*again) . My guess is the FBI will get to the bottom of it and in the end some fraudulent people/companies will be held accountable. It won't be quick but it will be thorough.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 11-23-2019, 09:31 AM

How does the Hendrix song go? If 6 was 9 I don't mind I don't mind.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=6028

Rhotchkiss · #5 11-23-2019, 09:52 AM

Leon, that would be a great thread. It would be even better if there was constructive discussion and the usual angry responders didn�t chime in with the same, obvious drivel that they post time and again (I imagine that for me, half the thread�s responses will be blanked out thanks to my ignore user list).

Anyway, I think it could make for a great thread.

Meanwhile, does anyone know how to get ahold of the guy who the made video? If so, can you pm me contact info - I would like to encourage that person to please continue and posting those videos.

swarmee · #6 11-23-2019, 09:59 AM

He just posted on Blowout in the thread. So you can find him there.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 11-23-2019, 10:14 AM

So here's a question for discussion -- what, if anything, are people doing differently in light of the scandal? How are you attempting to protect yourself against altered cards?

Leon · #8 11-23-2019, 11:40 AM

I am passing on my favorite card in the hobby in a 7 holder because of f'd up looking top and bottom borders. As Scott B and I just spoke about at a local card show, KNOW the cards and their characteristics. If it looks short with pointy borders, even if in a TPG holder, pass. SO the lesson is KNOW your cards and its series characteristics. IF you see an E220 with almost no borders, it is trimmed...tpg or not. Same with others. If you see 2 (or more) short borders and especially if they are pointy cornered cards....run away and fast.

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So here's a question for discussion -- what, if anything, are people doing differently in light of the scandal? How are you attempting to protect yourself against altered cards?

Exhibitman · #9 11-24-2019, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So here's a question for discussion -- what, if anything, are people doing differently in light of the scandal? How are you attempting to protect yourself against altered cards?

That's a good question. One thing I am thinking on is provenance. Most of my slabs are self-submitted cards and I am preserving the records of those submissions for future resale. Art is often tracked through its owners, so why not top cards? We already have provenance of specific finds on flips (e.g., Black Swamp, Lionel Carter, etc.). That should be more common. If I know the submitter as trustworthy, that should provide a great deal of confidence.

T206Collector · #10 11-24-2019, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So here's a question for discussion -- what, if anything, are people doing differently in light of the scandal? How are you attempting to protect yourself against altered cards?

Buying raw, low grade. Doing my own research on provenance. Since May have stopped buying graded cards, except low grade and low value, unless there is collection provenance. Won’t collect based on TPG card grade again until someone builds a better mousetrap, including transparency and traceability.

SOX75 · #11 11-23-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Meanwhile, does anyone know how to get ahold of the guy who the made video? If so, can you pm me contact info - I would like to encourage that person to please continue and posting those videos.

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

perezfan · #12 11-23-2019, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

Thank you Keith, for creating that great video. We have been saying for months now, that less than 2% of consumers are even aware of the scandal, fraud, deception and corruption. It's the biggest scandal ever to rock the hobby, and no one knows about it! Your video will provide much needed help to spread the word.

Please keep the videos coming if at all possible. There is so much more to expose. Just today, a large batch of new altered PSA high-numbered examples were outed on Blowout... and this isn't slowing down anytime soon. Still just the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks again for the great work being done by the people on Blowout, and by yourself!

Leon · #13 11-23-2019, 11:41 AM

Thank you very much!!

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

Peter_Spaeth · #14 11-23-2019, 12:35 PM

LOL that's a big slice.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...2&postcount=86

Keep denying, Orlando and Sloan.

Rhotchkiss · #15 11-23-2019, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

Hi Keith. Thanks for the reply and nice to meet you. I am out and about, but will PM you later. I really appreciate your videos and think they are a great service to our hobby - your videos and the work by BODA are/is important. I would like to help anyway I can.

Ryan

Fuddjcal · #16 11-23-2019, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

Thanks Keith for the GREAT Videos (Trimming scandal for dummies).

Much appreciate the style and content of your videos. THANKS!

samosa4u · #17 11-23-2019, 01:17 PM

I love your videos, Keith. You get directly to the point and I find them very easy to follow.

I will send you a PM later today.

Johnny630 · #18 11-23-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

Keith thank you for the excellent work sir :-) as always keep up the good fight sir. Happy Thanksgiving I to your and your family.

Johnny630 · #19 11-23-2019, 02:33 PM

Keith respectfully is there anyway and or interest in setting up at all the major card shows across this great country with these videos and the blowout discoveries threads posted on large computer screens above said table/booth ?

Thanks

CuriousGeorge · #20 11-23-2019, 09:18 PM

An absolutely incredible job! It is amazing the time and effort you put into this and I believe this will be very helpful to many people. Thank you very much!

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Hi, that would be me. I'm on this board, but don't post very often. I've appreciated reading the dialogue and learning about how these altered cards are discovered. You can PM me here if you'd like to talk more. I do plan on continuing to make these videos, but they are obviously very time intensive and difficult to balance with the rest of my life. The support the previous videos have gotten has been encouraging me to continue.

Keith

tribefan · #21 11-23-2019, 10:23 PM

Great job on the video!

Fuddjcal · #22 11-23-2019, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Leon, that would be a great thread. It would be even better if there was constructive discussion and the usual angry responders didn�t chime in with the same, obvious drivel that they post time and again (I imagine that for me, half the thread�s responses will be blanked out thanks to my ignore user list).

Anyway, I think it could make for a great thread.

Meanwhile, does anyone know how to get ahold of the guy who the made video? If so, can you pm me contact info - I would like to encourage that person to please continue and posting those videos.

LOL, ya know I'll make an Angry comment...cause I'm actually angry about it..

Fuddjcal · #23 11-23-2019, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KthnmVDnEEs

Nice link! Thanks my handsome friend

SOX75 · #24 11-23-2019, 06:58 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome guys...sincerely appreciate it! I've been working on videos on the trimming and altering fraud for months and plan to continue. There are times when I am stuck because of a lack of knowledge about the Hobby and it would be helpful to have some help from the users here during those moments. Thanks again!

Johnny630 · #25 11-23-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Thanks for the warm welcome guys...sincerely appreciate it! I've been working on videos on the trimming and altering fraud for months and plan to continue. There are times when I am stuck because of a lack of knowledge about the Hobby and it would be helpful to have some help from the users here during those moments. Thanks again!

Feel free to private message me anytime you would like.

Thank You

benjulmag · #26 11-24-2019, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Thanks for the warm welcome guys...sincerely appreciate it! I've been working on videos on the trimming and altering fraud for months and plan to continue. There are times when I am stuck because of a lack of knowledge about the Hobby and it would be helpful to have some help from the users here during those moments. Thanks again!

That truly is an outstanding piece of investigative reporting, with staggering implications, both from a civil and criminal perspective. Presumably the FBI has been alerted to your video.

This Board has lamented on the apparent lack of knowledge of this scandal by the general collecting public, and has theorized what significantly increased public knowledge might have on the market value of high grade PSA-slabbed cards. Have you ever considered reaching out to 60 minutes or some similar journalistic outlet about this matter? If a national news company was to air your video, augmented by additional reporting, that could generate public exposure of sufficient magnitude to be a catalyst to significantly advance the weeding out this fraud and bringing to justice those involved.

1952boyntoncollector · #27 11-24-2019, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by benjulmag

That truly is an outstanding piece of investigative reporting, with staggering implications, both from a civil and criminal perspective. Presumably the FBI has been alerted to your video.

This Board has lamented on the apparent lack of knowledge of this scandal by the general collecting public, and has theorized what significantly increased public knowledge might have on the market value of high grade PSA-slabbed cards. Have you ever considered reaching out to 60 minutes or some similar journalistic outlet about this matter? If a national news company was to air your video, augmented by additional reporting, that could generate public exposure of sufficient magnitude to be a catalyst to significantly advance the weeding out this fraud and bringing to justice those involved.

so far no implications from the civil perspective considering how this has rocked the hobby as some have said. All we hear about is FBI this and that. Videos like yours should help the cause

We should have a Mt. Rushmore for Maraca cards..with a mexican theme....maybe use famous mexican moutain range..

WhenItWasAHobby · #28 11-24-2019, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SOX75

Thanks for the warm welcome guys...sincerely appreciate it! I've been working on videos on the trimming and altering fraud for months and plan to continue. There are times when I am stuck because of a lack of knowledge about the Hobby and it would be helpful to have some help from the users here during those moments. Thanks again!

Impressive video Keith! Keep up the great work!

Peter_Spaeth · #29 11-24-2019, 10:41 AM

I gave up on trying to make a pun using Cheevers.

Presented without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=27

1952boyntoncollector · #30 11-24-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I gave up on trying to make a pun using Cheevers.

Presented without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=27

The way PSA gave out PSA 10s to one or 2 people and the rest didnt have the same opportunity, you would think all of those PSA 8 card owners may have a cause of action for their grading fees

WhenItWasAHobby · #31 11-24-2019, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I gave up on trying to make a pun using Cheevers.

Presented without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=27

The body count just increases.....

I read through the entire thread and in addition to the Cheevers card, there was some VERY ENLIGHTENING BIT OF NEWS IF TRUE (maybe the bubble has finally burst and they see this as their only way of surviving as a business):

"A PSA representative told a collector at the Chicago show this weekend that they don't issue refunds for altered cards.

Last week, PSA returned a collector's proven trimmed card in the same PSA 10 slab that was sent in to receive compensation under their Grade Guarantee. They were told to seek a refund from the seller. The only problem is the card has quadrupled in value since they purchased it.

Good responses there when PSA doesn't even want to acknowledge or honor their Grade Guarantee."

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...2&postcount=59

I'd be curious if anyone else had heard about this stance allegedly held by PSA? Any comments regardless?

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