Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Roger Clemens don�t have the integrity, sportsmanship or

ClementeFanOh · #1 01-09-2022, 10:04 AM

Tony- again, an interesting post. You are right in that people's opinions vary,
no doubt about that. When it comes to something I enjoy, I do my best to
form those opinions with as much fact/thoughtful discourse as I possibly
can. For what this is worth, I'll add my 2 cents:

1) I don't think Bonds OR Aroid should ever see the Hall. Rodriguez' entire
career is called into question due to proven abuse. Bonds' most famous
accomplishment is as well. Their "Fame" is supposed to be the direct
result of their baseball acumen, and that acumen is dirty- period.

2) Not a big fan of retroactively going back to analyze members who are
already HOF. My point in this exercise is to do it right with the
candidates we see now- ones "we" (fans, voters, writers) can actually do
something about. If people complain that the Hall contains players who
"shouldn't be in", then how can any reasonable response be an open
door policy where obvious and prolonged misbehavior continues to be
downplayed?

Trent King

SyrNy1960 · #2 01-09-2022, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Tony- again, an interesting post. You are right in that people's opinions vary,
no doubt about that. When it comes to something I enjoy, I do my best to
form those opinions with as much fact/thoughtful discourse as I possibly
can. For what this is worth, I'll add my 2 cents:

1) I don't think Bonds OR Aroid should ever see the Hall. Rodriguez' entire
career is called into question due to proven abuse. Bonds' most famous
accomplishment is as well. Their "Fame" is supposed to be the direct
result of their baseball acumen, and that acumen is dirty- period.

2) Not a big fan of retroactively going back to analyze members who are
already HOF. My point in this exercise is to do it right with the
candidates we see now- ones "we" (fans, voters, writers) can actually do
something about. If people complain that the Hall contains players who
"shouldn't be in", then how can any reasonable response be an open
door policy where obvious and prolonged misbehavior continues to be
downplayed?

Trent King

1) Completely agree with you 100%, and no other players during this period should get in either. Unfortunately, one (actually more than one) did; hence, put an asterisk next to their names and call it a day. Can't let one in and not the others. It's unfortunate, but the door has been opened and you can't shut the door now.

2) "My point in this exercise is to do it right with the candidates we see now- ones "we" (fans, voters, writers) can actually do something about." I can't do that, because they already let one in. Take him (them) out, and I'm with you 100%.

We will never truly know how many players used; how much they used; and how long they used. Truly sad for such an era with great baseball players.

It's been enjoyable and I appreciate everyone's comments in this thread. For me, there's not much more that I can add.

Much appreciation for everyone's opinions and comments! The love and passion for baseball that you all have is awesome!

Thanks, Tony

Republicaninmass · #3 01-09-2022, 10:51 AM

If any player is on the mlb ineligible list, they shall not be considered for the hall of fame.

None of these players on in the ineligible list, like them or not. I really dont see how a blank ballot does anything. Surely some deserving players are on a ballot. Its nothing more than grandstanding to get this dead beats name out there as some sanctimonious HOF voter. His voting privilege should be immediately revoked, as personal bias got in the way of his duty to uphold a vote.

Now for the next voter who needs their 5 min of fame.

Sure is going to chap some asses with bonds and clemens going in. It wouldn't surprise me if they snub the ceremony just because. Clemens claims he is indifferent and Bonds likley hasnt commented, not that he is known for his friendly attitude.

Juice or no juice, they excelled at their sport and made it more exciting for the fans. Possibly at their own health risk , now that is dedication!

Jim65 · #4 01-09-2022, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Juice or no juice, they excelled at their sport and made it more exciting for the fans. Possibly at their own health risk , now that is dedication!

They did this act of kindness for the fans. Let's hope generations of kids follow the example of these selfless heroes.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 01-09-2022, 11:40 AM

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/hall...roger-clemens/

SyrNy1960 · #6 01-09-2022, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/hall...roger-clemens/

Thanks for sharing this article 👍🏻

Eric72 · #7 01-13-2022, 04:29 PM

Every thread needs a card (or two)

jayshum · #8 01-14-2022, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/hall...roger-clemens/

Thanks for the link to this site. I usually read Jay Jaffe's HoF coverage on FanGraphs, but I was not aware of this site which has a lot of in depth analysis of the HoF eligible players.

Republicaninmass · #9 01-09-2022, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim65

They did this act of kindness for the fans. Let's hope generations of kids follow the example of these selfless heroes.

And the 3 stooges did it for comedy!

Amazing all these kids arent running around blinded by finger pokes!

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