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Old 07-21-2024, 09:17 PM
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I am a huge Spahn fan, I am just pointing out your logic was inherently flawed on the park effects point.
A pitcher’s main goal is to get a win. When he went up against pitchers in what some call a pitcher friendly park he way more often than not won that battle. Hard to do a kabookie dance around that fact.
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A pitcher’s main goal is to get a win. When he went up against pitchers in what some call a pitcher friendly park he way more often than not won that battle. Hard to do a kabookie dance around that fact.
I disagree. A pitcher's main goal is to limit the opposition in order to maximize his team's chances of winning. The metrics showing how good a player was at doing that -- which take into account any park effects -- tell us much more than mere wins and losses.
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I disagree. A pitcher's main goal is to limit the opposition in order to maximize his team's chances of winning. The metrics showing how good a player was at doing that -- which take into account any park effects -- tell us much more than mere wins and losses.
Disagree. Main, perhaps sole, goal is to win. Everything else is rather secondary. What you wrote sounds rather silly compared to that fundamental fact of the sport. If a pitcher realizes his team is up big and he can stay in the game but give up some runs and still get the win so the bullpen can rest, that’s valuable to a team but won’t necessarily show up in the stats. Not sure what you’re arguing here. Spahn wasn’t elite?
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Disagree. Main, perhaps sole, goal is to win. Everything else is rather secondary. What you wrote sounds rather silly compared to that fundamental fact of the sport. If a pitcher realizes his team is up big and he can stay in the game but give up some runs and still get the win so the bullpen can rest, that’s valuable to a team but won’t necessarily show up in the stats. Not sure what you’re arguing here. Spahn wasn’t elite?
Oy. So a pitcher who wins 8-7 did better than one who loses 1-0? If you really think that I can't help you. Of course Spahn is elite, who said he wasn't? I am just saying it's a legitimate point to bring up park effects.
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Oy. So a pitcher who wins 8-7 did better than one who loses 1-0? If you really think that I can't help you. Of course Spahn is elite, who said he wasn't? I am just saying it's a legitimate point to bring up park effects.
The pitcher that wins 5 games 8-7 is better than the one that wins 2 games 1-0. But I am positive the stats will favor the latter.
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The pitcher that wins 5 games 8-7 is better than the one that wins 2 games 1-0. But I am positive the stats will favor the latter.
A pitcher can only control how much he limits the other side. How well his own team does on any given day is a fortuity. The stats rightly focus on the former.
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A pitcher can only control how much he limits the other side. How well his own team does on any given day is a fortuity. The stats rightly focus on the former.
You don’t think guys like Maddux and Spahn have a sense of a game and can give up a run or two but secure a win rather than go all out and have to come out of the game? I feel like they’re playing chess to your checkers.
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