The Oaks Show and SGC Grading

t206hound · #1 11-17-2011, 04:57 PM

I only collect T206s and have submitted a few hundred to SGC in the past 18 months. I am pretty good about being able to determine what grade a card is going to get. I'd say 70-80% accurate to the grade given, and 98 percentish on being within one grade. That said, I typically submit cards that will yield a grade of 30-60.

Anyway, since I've been following this thread I decided to go back and look at SGCs grading scale (http://sgccard.com/grading_scale.htm). Based on the guidelines for each grade as listed on the page, I tend to agree that they are grading very harshly. Specifically, I'll point out:

It is possible for a card with pinholes AND writing to get a 30. When was the last time you saw a 30 with EITHER of those characteristics?
It is possible for a card with a light hairline crease or a light TEAR to get a 50. I have NUMEROUS crease-free 40s in my collection.
It is possible for a card with ONE very light surface crease (one side only) to get a 60.

While I've been able to accurately predict my grades, I'm now very confused as to whether or not the graders are actually using these guidelines when evaluating cards. I know in my last submission that I had two cards knocked down from 40 to 30 between the initial grading and shipment. One was this Delehanty that I recently sold. No pinhole, no writing... heck, no creases, but it's a 30. Sure, rounded corners, a little scratching on the front and perhaps some back staining. I admit it's not a 60... but is it really a 30 according to SGCs own scale?

Runscott · #2 11-17-2011, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by t206hound

It is possible for a card with ONE very light surface crease (one side only) to get a 60.

Not possible. This Landry was almost mint, but had a very, ver slight surface wrinkle on the back - I could not even see it. I took the card to a PSA dealer and he noticed it. So I sent it to SGC on my own...and they noticed it. Automatic 50. You will never see a prettier '55 Bowman - I bought this and several others raw, and all were pack-fresh. The wrinkle does not show up in the scan - I had to describe it when selling the card...$55

Vegas-guy · #3 11-17-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Not possible. This Landry was almost mint, but had a very, ver slight surface wrinkle on the back - I could not even see it. I took the card to a PSA dealer and he noticed it. So I sent it to SGC on my own...and they noticed it. Automatic 50. You will never see a prettier '55 Bowman - I bought this and several others raw, and all were pack-fresh. The wrinkle does not show up in the scan - I had to describe it when selling the card...$55

Wow Great looking card for that grade!

ullmandds · #4 11-17-2011, 06:12 PM

I'm with Jay on this one...I collect lower-mid grade...and am super happy...I am very suspicious of most high grade cards that are over 100 years old.

If one were to create a short film documenting the life of a T206 card from the time it was pulled from a pack of cigs back in 1909...how boring would the film be if the instant the card was pulled it weas placed in between the pages of book where it stayed for 100 years...B-O-R-I-N-G!!!! I like my cards with a story!!!!

On a different note...I think it's a lot easier to be consistent when it comes to grading T206's as there are so many of them out there to compare to. Granted there are size differences...but not nearly as high a % as some other types of cards...which exist in much smaller #'s and may be printed on different types of stock more prone to deterioration.

It drives me crazy to open the SCD and look for prices of vintage cards only to find NRMT, EX, VG as options..when most cards available are in lesser grades...and practically none exist in these higher grades.

bobbyw8469 · #5 11-17-2011, 06:21 PM

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Not necessarily. Send it back to PSA and get it graded again.

How about when you crack out an SGC graded card and PSA says it is trimmed?????

vintagerookies51 · #6 11-17-2011, 06:30 PM

This is partially why I collect low-grade cards. I've never had a card that would grade a 2 or higher, so I don't have to worry about what the grade gets

dog*dirt · #7 11-17-2011, 07:22 PM

What I look for in a card is eye appeal, which I believe gets overlooked at times by judging a card on grade alone. It seems and is fine with me that the card grading companies focus on the technical aspects of grading a card. I would not mind seeing a flip on the back of the card kind of like BVG in breaking down the surface,corner,centering,edges but with more descriptions maybe they could use a code system if a card is getting knocked a grade or two because of staining, creasing, paperloss etc.

WillowGrove · #8 11-25-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

If one were to create a short film documenting the life of a T206 card from the time it was pulled from a pack of cigs back in 1909...how boring would the film be if the instant the card was pulled it weas placed in between the pages of book where it stayed for 100 years...B-O-R-I-N-G!!!! I like my cards with a story!!!!

On a different note...I think it's a lot easier to be consistent when it comes to grading T206's as there are so many of them out there to compare to. Granted there are size differences...but not nearly as high a % as some other types of cards...which exist in much smaller #'s and may be printed on different types of stock more prone to deterioration.

It drives me crazy to open the SCD and look for prices of vintage cards only to find NRMT, EX, VG as options..when most cards available are in lesser grades...and practically none exist in these higher grades.

+1 to all points Ullmandds!

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