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Some submitters are more equal than others.
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Yes... and if there's a totem pole of hierarchy, I am touching the ground!
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Meanwhile, even without doctoring, people are making fortunes on bumps.
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It amounts to that, doesn't it? It would be fascinating to see how much of these whopping profits actually gets reported to the IRS and then we'll find out if there is honor among thieves?
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Hmmm ...
There are many different outlets for these doctored cards. Based on everything I have been reading so far, it looks like PWCC is the preferred choice for the majority of these card doctors. However, the earlier posts reveal that Will Jaimet was selling his cards through Memory Lane. What percentage of these doctored cards go through PWCC in comparison to the others? For example, would you say that at least fifty percent of them go through PWCC? Eighty percent? Thirty percent? What about Memory Lane, Heritage, REA, COMC? How would we divide the remaining percentage up among them?
My purpose of asking this question is to see which of the above companies have been hit the hardest, and most importantly, why they were selected in the first place. What made them so attractive to these card doctors? And as for the companies that have sold the fewest of these tainted cards, why is that? Do they have people running them who could spot some of these alterations even though they were encapsulated? |
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Latest uncovered is three known trimmers all in the same PSA sub. All cards were sold by PWCC, with PWCC as possibly the submitter.
What a great system. Sell cards that have restoration potential to a group of large dealers. Bring these cards back in house post restoration. Sub them on favourable terms. Get favourable results. Slap a HE sticker on them. Allow same dealers to shill the cards up. Pretty incredible really, what a racket. Last edited by japhi; 12-12-2019 at 11:54 AM. |
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It's obvious, though not sure it is provable in court. I'll defer to counsel.
Many examples show: High end consigned examples were shilled up to a point were either a doctor would buy and restore it, amd relist, or someone would be left holding the bag.
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Yes, Id love for that info to be uncovered.....but what would happen in the end ?..somebody gets their " pound of flesh"...they things continue along as they were
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Does anyone have a recommended process for investigating one’s own cards for possible alterations? For example, if I bought a Psa 6 graded card in 2014 are there certain internet references that people can recommend I go to look for that same card in a possibly lower grade and/or raw prior to my purchase? I have access to Worthpoint and VCP but if anyone has any other sites I would appreciate your input. Thanks.
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Thanks Peter, found it
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Brief jump over to modern for one of the worst I've seen.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Why trim if you can get a 10 on a card like that?
PSA pretty much has to be selling grades. |
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And today, just another 4 K between friends...for a Sid Gordon and Alvin Chipmunk...LOL https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=354 Last edited by Fuddjcal; 12-14-2019 at 10:25 AM. |
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The best reveal from those blowout threads is PSA has a program where favoured dealers could sit with a grader in person and that grader would pick through the dealers cards and pull cards that would 10. Cost is 10 pee card, minimum 600 cards, and you only get slabbed 10s back.
Amazing how much of an idiot Orlando is to let these shenanigans go. What a small game they are playing, a 500mm company giving breaks to their hobby buddies. With that level of access - one on one’s with graders- pretty easy to see corruptible the process is. Imagine the influence a dealer like PWCC had been on their own grades. Or 4 sharp corners. The game is clearly rigged. |
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one could see it that way. or... caveat emptor or a fool and his money... You can hate the massive fraud, and still believe some of those whom the fraud is perpetrated against are idiots. They aren't mutually exclusive in my mind. |
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Brent to Johnny (to doctor to Johnny?) to Brent to PSA to Brent to victim.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=362
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I don't doubt that Jeromy Murray takes care of his insiders too. I don't know what the company formerly known as Sportscard Guaranty Company does. Hopefully less of this.
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That is complete BS, Joe Clemons and myself say you are wrong!!!
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There was talk on the board a while back about meetings with graders where preferred clients could argue their case when trying for a bump. This new revelation does not come as much of a surprise.
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My friend the card doctor, he taught me what to do. My friend, the card doctor, he taught me what to say. he said that you'll be duped, when I sing this to you.. ue e oh ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang.... https://youtu.be/cmjrTcYMqBM?t=63 Last edited by Fuddjcal; 12-16-2019 at 09:22 AM. |
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Classic.. Love the Witch Doctor!
Here’s another... I need you to fix my card again Turn my six into a ten Doctor Doctor, give me the news I need a numbered slab to come from you Ebay’s gonna help me shill It’s in a bad case, because of you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLfQkHQlE8 |
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Just had a card purchased of mine from eBay by one of the alleged trimmers. He has purchased from me in the past, always nicely centered PSA 7's. The card was recently graded. I guess he must just have a great eye for bumps.
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Please tell us what card it is and post a picture, so we can watch out for it. If if shows up down the road in a higher flip and altered, we have good evidence of doctoring and cause to give to BODA who can turn over to authorities.
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AND today another 10K or so including this 57 Ernie Banks. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=399 A beautiful day for a ball game..."Let's Fake 2", |
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If someone on this forum is a known card doctor, I think others on this forum should know. We should be helping each other out and protecting the hobby - not hiding the crooks and contributing to the cesspool
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You realize that user hasn’t been on the site for 24 hours, right? Perhaps give him a little time before suggesting he is participating in card doctoring.
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